1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,760 Music 2 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:17,440 Hidden away high above the University of London is a library that few ever get to see. 3 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:23,520 Its books explore stories so strange they make even the most skeptical. At least wonder. 4 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:32,480 There are stories that we can't explain. We can merely present the evidence and leave you to make up your own minds. 5 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:38,480 There is no doubt at all however in the minds of the people who claim to have gone through these experiences 6 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:46,480 they are ordinary people, they come from ordinary places. Their stories are certainly strange. But are they true? 7 00:00:46,480 --> 00:01:07,440 Music 8 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:16,400 He spent a lifetime collecting all these books in his quest to explain the unexplained. 9 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:22,400 When he died he left them to the University where they've continued to baffle the keenest brains around. 10 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:30,400 Tonight we have two extraordinary stories for you told through drama reconstruction and interviews with those involved. 11 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:39,360 One is about an Irish family separated in childhood and now reunited by a woman who says she's the reincarnation of their mother. 12 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:49,360 But first the naked eye can see stars hundreds of light years away. The most powerful telescopes can see hundreds of millions of light years away. 13 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:56,360 In all that space is there even the remotest chance that there are life forms elsewhere in the universe which can reach us? 14 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:03,320 And if there are why would they choose to descend on one small town more than anywhere else? 15 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:13,320 Toddmudden buried deep between windswept Pennine moorlands. Obscure, isolated and the epicentre of UFO activity in the British Isles. 16 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:23,320 A tenth of sightings are around this town alone. Our story begins with the discovery in a coal yard which even now more than ten years on remains a mystery. 17 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:32,280 Alan Godfrey at the time of Constable in the Toddmudden police force was called to the scene. 18 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,280 Lying on top of a pile of coal was a man, dead. 19 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:42,280 He had this terrifying expression. I can only describe it as whatever he'd last saw really terrified him. 20 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:52,280 There was no footprints belonging to him, disturbance on the coal. So how did he get up there? I can't work out. 21 00:02:53,240 --> 00:03:01,240 I could see that on the top of his head there were individual burn marks, not the back of the neck. 22 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:07,240 There was a rather large weeping type of burn and there'd been like an ointment smeared on it. 23 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:15,240 The dead man was Zygmunt Adamski, a retired miner who disappeared five days earlier from a town twenty miles away. 24 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:21,240 The coroner had to record an open verdict. He's still baffled by the questions surrounding the case. 25 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,200 Like what was the substance on the dead man's neck? 26 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:32,200 This is one of the most puzzling cases that I've come across in 25 years. 27 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:41,200 If somebody proved to me that UFOs exist and that there was one around there at that time and that in some way we could associate it with this case, 28 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,200 then perhaps I might say I'd only raise half an eyebrow. 29 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:53,160 The first UFOs above, Tobmeden, next to what's said to be the highest bus stop in Britain, is the Deer Play Inn. 30 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:57,160 One night in 1989 the landlady awoke to see an amazing sight. 31 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:05,160 Well I never took UFOs seriously at all. So one night my husband came into the bedroom and I was asleep and he came in and said, 32 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:15,120 I came into the lounge and I saw this light behind that cottage there. It went right across the moor. 33 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:22,120 It went about fifty miles an hour, came on the car park and lit the car park up like it was daylight. 34 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:27,120 Absolutely like daylight. I can't believe it. I just don't know. 35 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,120 My husband said to me, well explain that and I can't explain it. 36 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:40,080 A few miles away, at about seven o'clock one evening last August, Joanne Ellige, Sarah Wolffenden and Amy Connolly were out with friends. 37 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:46,080 We were just walking up the road along the road and one of our friends said, what's that over there? 38 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:52,080 We jumped on the wall so we just got on the wall and had a look and it was just like behind us, just above the forest. 39 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,080 It seemed to be hovering and watched it for about ten minutes. 40 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:01,040 I can't believe that there was something there that weren't an airplane or a helicopter or anything like that. 41 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,040 We knew it wasn't a normal aircraft or anything. 42 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,040 We just couldn't say anything, just kept watching that. 43 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:15,040 But the most extraordinary story must be that of Alan Godfrey, the policeman who made the find on the coal heap. 44 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:21,040 Five months later he was on duty early one morning when there were reports of cows loose on a council estate. 45 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:27,000 I've been sent to investigate this herd of cows so I was driving up the road here 46 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,000 and I was going to turn right up Fernaly Road there to the council estate 47 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:37,000 when I could see in front of me up here this object, it looked to be completely blocking the road. 48 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:45,000 As I get nearer and nearer towards this object I could see that it wasn't quite what I was expecting to meet 49 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:50,000 at five o'clock or whatever on a November morning in Tomahydyn. 50 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,960 It was diamond shaped, the bottom half of the object was spinning. 51 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,960 It was hovering about five foot off the ground, I could see on the map. 52 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:04,960 It was about twenty feet wide, fourteen feet high. 53 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:13,960 I'll try that several times, it just didn't work. I just couldn't contact anybody. 54 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,960 So I picked my clipboard up and I started drawing a sketch of it. 55 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:25,960 And then suddenly I was at the other side of the object and it had gone. 56 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:30,960 It had, what do I know, 50 hundred yards of folk road driving. 57 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:43,960 What's up? You're not going to believe what I've just seen. 58 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,960 Oh, get in. 59 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,960 OK. 60 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:57,960 So we got out of the car and we examined the road surface which was like a whirlpool dry. 61 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,960 Something really hot had been hovering above that. 62 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,960 We could see all these loose leaves and broken branches there. 63 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,960 So he was convinced something had been there. 64 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,960 We thought it might have gone in this object, wherever it had gone, 65 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,960 that might have gone into the adjoining part. 66 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,920 When we got in there we could see these early cows right in the middle of the rugby pitch. 67 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,920 They'd been raining all night but there's no hoof prints belonging to them. 68 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,920 How have they got that? 69 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:27,920 They just looked as though somebody dropped them there, you know. 70 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,920 It sounds incredible but Alan Godfrey isn't the only one who saw something 71 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,920 in the same area on the same night. 72 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,920 Another witness was school caretaker Leonard Smith. 73 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,920 When I came round the corner to check the grounds, 74 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,920 I looked up in the sky and this UFO was up in the sky. 75 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,880 Approximately all the way where I later learnt the area where Alan Godfrey had his experience. 76 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,880 I didn't know at the time. 77 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:58,880 Now the object shot across the valley four times backwards and forwards 78 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,880 and then it vanished over the hills. 79 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,880 Then there's John Porter, one of five other police witnesses that night. 80 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,880 An hour before Alan Godfrey's encounter, he was out searching more land quarries 81 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,880 for stolen motorbikes. 82 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,880 We're walking down the moor from the main road. 83 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,840 Something that told me to turn round. 84 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,840 I turned and the sky was a very cold steel blue light. 85 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:28,840 It moved in a sweeping arc across the sky about 12 miles I would estimate in one second. 86 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:34,840 Eventually I went up the road and observed the same cold steel blue light 87 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:39,840 sweeping away in the low arc towards Toddboarding and that's the last I saw of it. 88 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,840 Despite the support, Alan Godfrey became more and more troubled 89 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:45,800 by the most puzzling part of his experience. 90 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:50,800 After it had all happened, I realised that there was half an hour missing 91 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,800 from me drawing the object and me turning up at the other side of where the object had been. 92 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,800 I was really curious, you know, what I wanted to know what had happened in that half hour. 93 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:04,800 I persuaded him to undergo regression hypnosis and two experiments were set up 94 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,800 with two doctors who specialised in hypnosis. 95 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,800 The video, the hypnotic regression sessions were videotaped 96 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,760 and during them Alan fills in the missing time, the gaps in his memory. 97 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,760 Alan describes getting out of his car, looking at the object, 98 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,760 then he sees a light emanating from underneath it, 99 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,760 so he gets back into his car, finds his car won't go 100 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,760 and then he's engulfed in a bright white light. 101 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,760 He appears to lose consciousness. 102 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,760 He says everything is black. 103 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,720 He then wakes up in a room where he sees a tall man. 104 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,720 He's also surrounded by six small robots. 105 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,720 He's made the subject of some sort of pseudo-medical examination. 106 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,720 In due course he's put back in his car. 107 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,720 After the main initial sighting, I did read quite a few science fiction books 108 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,720 and it is quite possible that that part of the hypnotic regression 109 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,720 has got jumbled up in my mind. 110 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,720 But I must stress that I did see a UFO that night. 111 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,720 No mistake about that, I definitely saw what I saw. 112 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,720 On this earth I would tell many different. 113 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,720 So are the people of Toppenden receiving visits from outer space? 114 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:30,720 The town now has its own observatory with telescopes trained on the skies. 115 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,720 We recently had reports of lights moving around in the sky 116 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,720 which turned out to be nothing more than a local laser show. 117 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,720 Also we have to be rather cautious because we live under the flight path 118 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,720 of two major airports, Heathrow and Manchester. 119 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:52,720 And locally Manchester is a problem in as much as we have lights coming in 120 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,720 on incoming aircraft which give the impression of UFOs in the sky. 121 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,720 It was not an aircraft. 122 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:03,720 I got into my van and made radio enquiries regarding this. 123 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,720 I still saw the blue light in the sky. 124 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:10,720 I made enquiries with the Army, the RAF, the Civil Aviation Authority 125 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,720 and nothing was in the sky at that time. 126 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,720 A less conventional theory is that the geology of the area can produce strange sights. 127 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,720 There are many reservoirs and quarries in the Toppenden area 128 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,720 and the local rock has a high concentration of quartz crystals. 129 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,720 Scientists have found that this can produce an electrical signal 130 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,720 and on a grand scale this might turn out to be glowing masses of energy 131 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,720 which can be seen as UFOs. 132 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,720 That's what I saw. That object was real. 133 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,720 If I got out of the car and thrown a brick at it, it would have gone bang. 134 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,720 Strangely enough, even the scientists are now coming round to the view 135 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,720 that the people of Toppenden are seeing something. 136 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:53,720 Two friends and I were observing and saw an object which had classic flying saucer shape. 137 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,720 We checked to make sure that at the scope we were originally using 138 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,720 didn't have optical defects and there was no problem there. 139 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:06,720 As much as it's difficult to believe that it was of extraterrestrial origin 140 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:11,720 to this date we have no rational scientific explanation for what it was. 141 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,720 Before his close encounter, PC Alan Godfrey had been injured on duty. 142 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,720 A hospital consultant said he'd be unable to have any more children. 143 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:24,720 After his experience the effects were reversed and Alan Godfrey had a son. 144 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:37,720 Can the human personality survive death and be born again in another body? 145 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,720 Not a prospect that all of us would relish but surprising though it may seem 146 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:46,720 across the globe those who believe in reincarnation probably outnumber those who don't. 147 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:51,720 Reincarnation is one of the oldest beliefs dating back to 1000 BC in India. 148 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,720 When they're close to death some people in Alaska believe so strongly 149 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,720 that they even choose their next set of parents. 150 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:03,720 A woman whose story we're about to tell believes reincarnation explains the dream she's had 151 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,720 ever since she can remember. 152 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,720 Jenny Cockale looks like any ordinary mother. 153 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,720 Happily married with two children she lives in the Northamptonshire town of Toaster. 154 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:21,720 But Jenny has always believed that she is also the mother of another family. 155 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:28,720 For as long as I can remember I've had dreams of being married in Ireland 156 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:34,720 and dying while the children were still young not grown in the 1930s. 157 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:39,720 Terrible dreams of being alone in a room in pain. 158 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:45,720 Not at home and knowing that there's nothing I could do 159 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:50,720 to ensure the safety of the children's futures. 160 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:58,720 During waking hours I remember happier memories from the life as Mary. 161 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:03,720 I remembered the children at mealtimes. 162 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,720 But Jenny also sends trouble in the family. 163 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:15,720 I didn't know quite why I should feel so uneasy and so concerned 164 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,720 about what it was that I was really afraid of. 165 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,720 Something I was shutting out. 166 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,720 The memories were a little bit like pieces of a jigsaw. 167 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,720 Some parts were very clear, some parts were vague 168 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:41,720 and there were so many bits that seemed to be missing it was difficult to try to get the whole picture. 169 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:47,720 As soon as she could pick up a pencil Jenny began drawing maps of the village she saw in her mind 170 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,720 the main roads, the station and her cottage. 171 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,720 And when she got to school atlas she could even locate where it was. 172 00:14:54,720 --> 00:15:01,720 After several attempts just shutting my eyes and allowing myself to be drawn to a place that might feel familiar 173 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:06,720 I found that Malahide was named just north of Dublin. 174 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,720 For years Jenny kept these strange visions of Ireland to herself 175 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,720 until at last she could hold back no longer. 176 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,720 She had to find out if the memories meant anything. 177 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:23,720 She began at her local bookshop ordering a map of the Malahide area to confirm her childhood drawings. 178 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,720 The maps matched for Jenny a first glimmer of proof. 179 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:32,720 Now she needed more and tried hypnosis to plumb her deeper memories. 180 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:42,720 It sharpened up a great deal of the detail. 181 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,720 There was one of the churches I saw the outside fairly clearly, 182 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,720 clearly enough to make a little drawing afterwards of it. 183 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:57,720 And standing at the end of a jetty wrapped in a dark shawl, 184 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,720 there was dusk and I remembered waiting for a boat. 185 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:07,720 But I had no idea who was on the boat or why I was waiting for a boat. 186 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:14,720 But were these real memories or just an overactive imagination? 187 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:19,720 It gets difficult to believe that when you see the consistency of the facts 188 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,720 and the findings of the memories between one session and the next. 189 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,720 And Jenny's been through several sessions of this at different times 190 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,720 and each time she's been consistent in what she's been telling me. 191 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,720 It was enough for Jenny to invest in a trip to Malahide. 192 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:42,720 This was the first time she'd been to Ireland and yet she felt certain she'd been there before. 193 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,720 I didn't need a map, I knew my way around. 194 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:57,720 I tried to find somebody who might remember the family, 195 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,720 who might remember the children. 196 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:05,720 Back in England Jenny received a letter from an old man in Malahide. 197 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:11,720 Relating to the mother who died in the 1930s, she was Mrs. Sutton. 198 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:16,720 After her death the children were sent to orphanages. 199 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,720 It was the breakthrough Jenny needed. 200 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,720 She was able to get a copy of Mary Sutton's death certificate 201 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,720 and from an orphanage came the first names of her children. 202 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:35,720 An appeal in an Irish newspaper then produced a telephone number for the oldest boy, Sonny. 203 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,720 Hello, my name is Jenny Cockale. 204 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,720 I've been trying to trace members of your family. 205 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:52,720 And I said to my wife, there's something weird here. 206 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,720 So I don't know who this person is. 207 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:59,720 I said, how did she come to know so much about the family? 208 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,720 You said that she remembers about the jetty. 209 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:12,720 Well, I explained to her that I used to have a little job as a caddy. 210 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,720 And we used to row over to the island. 211 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,720 And in the evening we'd rowed back again. 212 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,720 Thanks very much, Mr. New Agent. 213 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:22,720 Well, Sonny. 214 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,720 And she'd read me the tablet of steps. 215 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,720 And she used to cuddle me. 216 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,720 Oh, he's all you have. 217 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,720 With Sonny's help the picture has finally become clear. 218 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:39,720 The pieces of the jigsaw were going in and making things a lot easier to understand. 219 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:46,720 And most of all he was able to explain to me what I had been afraid of. 220 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,720 My mother was a loving person. 221 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,720 She loved her husband and she loved her family. 222 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,720 Can you just read it through there for me again? 223 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,720 But my father was the opposite. 224 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,720 My mother was only there for the convenience. 225 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,720 He was cruel to my mother. 226 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,720 He was cruel to his children. 227 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:08,720 He'd come home from the oak and he'd be totally drunk. 228 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,720 Then start busting around. 229 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,720 And the money and money at the time I used to get between him and my mother. 230 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,720 Well, the same with my mother. 231 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,720 Mary Sutton died at the age of 32. 232 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,720 Her children were taken away. 233 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,720 All except Sonny, who had to keep house for his father. 234 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,720 It was very painful. 235 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,720 Because I've lost my mother. 236 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,720 I know what then I was going to lose my brothers and sisters. 237 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,720 And when they were taken away it was very, very hurtful. 238 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,720 Very painful. 239 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:48,720 I knew that I couldn't settle until the family were reunited. 240 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:56,720 That part of me that was Mary needed to see the children happy. 241 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,720 One by one Jenny tracked down not only Sonny, 242 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,720 but all the surviving Sutton children. 243 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,720 And a few weeks ago at the home of youngest sister Betty, 244 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,720 they were reunited. 245 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,720 All together again for the first time in 61 years. 246 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,720 And now you're back with me. 247 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,720 How are you? 248 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,720 Great. 249 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,720 Brothers Frank and Christie. 250 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,720 Phyllis and Sonny. 251 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:27,720 Unknown to Phyllis, she and Betty had lived within 15 minutes of each other for 40 years. 252 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:33,720 And it's Phyllis who appears in the only photo of their mother Mary. 253 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,720 They're all about to meet the woman who believes she is Mary. 254 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,720 Back from the dead. 255 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,720 Hi Jenny. How are you? 256 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,720 So Jenny Coquelle has reunited a lost family. 257 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,720 But are they convinced she's the reincarnation of their mother? 258 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,720 Priest only lives across from us, Father McCarty. 259 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,720 And I said, Father send me to the, I want a truth. 260 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,720 No, I said, do you believe in reincarnation? 261 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,720 He said, that is the harlequin answer Christie said is, 262 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,720 that your mother is calling from heaven. 263 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,720 I'm just coming through you. 264 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,720 Jenny's dreams are mommy's thoughts. 265 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,720 Basically, my opinion is that mom wants us all together again. 266 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:26,720 And Jenny was the lucky one that she chose and put her soul into Jenny. 267 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,720 That's why I look at her. 268 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,720 I want to avoid the steps over there. 269 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,720 And to complete the reunion, a homecoming. 270 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,720 Back to the remains of the humble cottage in Malahide, 271 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,720 that the family left after the death of their beloved mother. 272 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,720 She is back again. 273 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,720 I believe that my mother is not passed on. 274 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,720 She hasn't passed over, as we say. 275 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,720 The wounds of the years of separation. 276 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:57,720 The wounds of not known where my brothers and sisters were. 277 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,720 Those wounds Jenny has healed now. 278 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,720 Because now I know where they are. 279 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,720 I know their real life and well. 280 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,720 And those are our stories. 281 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,720 I don't think you'd argue about their strangeness, 282 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,720 but whether we believe them is for each of us to decide. 283 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,720 Harry Price spent most of his 67 years on this earth 284 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,720 trying to find the answers to such mysteries. 285 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,720 But he didn't gain much public recognition 286 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,720 and he died in 1948, a disappointed man. 287 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,720 If he'd lived until today, 288 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,720 he'd have seen more and more people following in his footsteps, 289 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,720 visiting psychics, experimenting with hypnosis, 290 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,720 trying to communicate with the spirits, 291 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,720 or simply just reading their horoscopes. 292 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,720 Yet whatever we do, the truth remains as elusive 293 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,720 and as tantalising as ever. 294 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,720 For now, good night.